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	<title>Comments on: W.E.B. DuBois on Josef Stalin</title>
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		<title>By: Negro Leagues Baseball</title>
		<link>http://ecarson.wordpress.com/2007/06/18/web-dubois-on-stalin/#comment-4662</link>
		<dc:creator>Negro Leagues Baseball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DuBois was an incredible person.  Yet I really wonder what life was like for him and how was he treated by black and white alike.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DuBois was an incredible person.  Yet I really wonder what life was like for him and how was he treated by black and white alike.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blum,

As the US moved toward the apex of the Civil Rights movement, I was thinking that both his age and frustrations contributed toward the rise and shift of his idealism that many Southern blacks did not see as a part of their plight. From what I have read, I always sensed that he was a mighty voice with a message that did not always convey with the rest. I seemed his faith n God came across as being a bit convoluted to others as well. 

&quot;Where would Du Bois get full and accurate information about Stalin?&quot; And, what is wrong with seeking another alternative when the US current direction is not working? I understand what he was doing; but, did southern blacks understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blum,</p>
<p>As the US moved toward the apex of the Civil Rights movement, I was thinking that both his age and frustrations contributed toward the rise and shift of his idealism that many Southern blacks did not see as a part of their plight. From what I have read, I always sensed that he was a mighty voice with a message that did not always convey with the rest. I seemed his faith n God came across as being a bit convoluted to others as well. </p>
<p>&#8220;Where would Du Bois get full and accurate information about Stalin?&#8221; And, what is wrong with seeking another alternative when the US current direction is not working? I understand what he was doing; but, did southern blacks understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Blum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Blum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry that I&#039;m so late in chiming in on this issue. I think, as I discuss in my work, that context matters vitally. Where would Du Bois get full and accurate information about Stalin? Could he trust the American media when it detailed stories of Soviet atrocities? Remember, this was the same media that had vilified African American men and women day in and day out. Or could Du Bois trust the US government - the government that refused him visas over and over, that had FBI operatives following him, that brought trumped up charges against him? Du Bois&#039;s leftist politics was not an unmitigated love for Stalin, but rather hopes that unrestricted capitalism (and even government that only sides with big business) could be overturned. And, Du Bois may have been closer to &quot;poor black people&quot; than many realize. He was never wealthy (he had trouble paying dental bills, in fact); he taught in the South for a long time; and it was everyday African Americans who rose to support him in the early 1950s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry that I&#8217;m so late in chiming in on this issue. I think, as I discuss in my work, that context matters vitally. Where would Du Bois get full and accurate information about Stalin? Could he trust the American media when it detailed stories of Soviet atrocities? Remember, this was the same media that had vilified African American men and women day in and day out. Or could Du Bois trust the US government &#8211; the government that refused him visas over and over, that had FBI operatives following him, that brought trumped up charges against him? Du Bois&#8217;s leftist politics was not an unmitigated love for Stalin, but rather hopes that unrestricted capitalism (and even government that only sides with big business) could be overturned. And, Du Bois may have been closer to &#8220;poor black people&#8221; than many realize. He was never wealthy (he had trouble paying dental bills, in fact); he taught in the South for a long time; and it was everyday African Americans who rose to support him in the early 1950s.</p>
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		<title>By: teacherwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>teacherwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must disagree. I only thought he became an idealit towards the end of his life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must disagree. I only thought he became an idealit towards the end of his life.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt S,

&quot;DuBois comes across as a man very passionate about his beliefs… but maybe too passionate… too quick to cast off friends he knows are mostly with him ideologically for potential friends that he imagines are totally in agreement with his views.&quot; 

I think you are right. DuBois was in a league that made it very difficult for him to relate to poor black people. His intent, in my opinion, was to inspire an elite group of educated blacks to shape the plight of the race. His voice was lost among the people. His ideas were not as practical with black people as Washington&#039;s were. Southern poor blacks believed in hard work and capitalism. I realize it was a capitalist system that enslaved blacks, but poor black southerners saw a problem  with Russia and its idelogical construct. 

I think he was an idealist early on; however, by the 1950s he realized his idealist views of negro integration would never work. He died in 1963. I wish he could have lived another 10 years. Whites and blacks united to defeat Jim Crow,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt S,</p>
<p>&#8220;DuBois comes across as a man very passionate about his beliefs… but maybe too passionate… too quick to cast off friends he knows are mostly with him ideologically for potential friends that he imagines are totally in agreement with his views.&#8221; </p>
<p>I think you are right. DuBois was in a league that made it very difficult for him to relate to poor black people. His intent, in my opinion, was to inspire an elite group of educated blacks to shape the plight of the race. His voice was lost among the people. His ideas were not as practical with black people as Washington&#8217;s were. Southern poor blacks believed in hard work and capitalism. I realize it was a capitalist system that enslaved blacks, but poor black southerners saw a problem  with Russia and its idelogical construct. </p>
<p>I think he was an idealist early on; however, by the 1950s he realized his idealist views of negro integration would never work. He died in 1963. I wish he could have lived another 10 years. Whites and blacks united to defeat Jim Crow,</p>
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		<title>By: teacherwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>teacherwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt S,

I just wanted to say that I always enjoy reading your comments here. Carson tells me that you two are friends from college. I find your knowledge and insight to always be very good. I cannot believe you are not in history education. I have even seen you cause Carson to pause and rethink a position or two on this blog. If you know Carson you know that is not easy. I think you got it right regarding DuBois. He was a bit disillusioned probaly out of pain and frustration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt S,</p>
<p>I just wanted to say that I always enjoy reading your comments here. Carson tells me that you two are friends from college. I find your knowledge and insight to always be very good. I cannot believe you are not in history education. I have even seen you cause Carson to pause and rethink a position or two on this blog. If you know Carson you know that is not easy. I think you got it right regarding DuBois. He was a bit disillusioned probaly out of pain and frustration.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to give DuBois the benefit of the doubt and assume he had no clue the depths to which Stalin went to maintain power. The eulogy comes off as an apologetic piece, though, as if DuBois knew the &quot;real&quot; Stalin better than most people did and feels Stalin is getting a bum rap. From what I understand there were many socialists/communists (including Trotskey) that took a dim view of Stalin creating a &quot;personality cult&quot; about himself---elevating one man above his comrades. Stalin went to great lengths to create a whitewashed image of himself as a benevolent man of the people, and I&#039;m trying to figure out if DuBois is merely buying the product or if he was part of the propaganda. I&#039;m guessing the former.

After reading what he wrote about Booker T. Washington, DuBois comes across as a man very passionate about his beliefs... but maybe too passionate... too quick to cast off friends he knows are mostly with him ideologically for potential friends that he imagines are totally in agreement with his views. Washington wanted many of the same things that DuBois wanted, but he felt the path to get there was longer and in a different direction. DuBois found a man he did not really know (Stalin) more compelling than a man he did know (Washington) because one got results faster, perhaps?

Would that be an accurate observation of DuBois, Eddie? I&#039;m no expert on the man, but the little I&#039;ve read makes me think he was a man that expected racial, economic, and political equality NOW and not later. Too much of an idealist? Anything less was frustrating to him? He might assume the grass was greener in Stalin&#039;s yard because of the difficulty in getting the U.S. yard up to his standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to give DuBois the benefit of the doubt and assume he had no clue the depths to which Stalin went to maintain power. The eulogy comes off as an apologetic piece, though, as if DuBois knew the &#8220;real&#8221; Stalin better than most people did and feels Stalin is getting a bum rap. From what I understand there were many socialists/communists (including Trotskey) that took a dim view of Stalin creating a &#8220;personality cult&#8221; about himself&#8212;elevating one man above his comrades. Stalin went to great lengths to create a whitewashed image of himself as a benevolent man of the people, and I&#8217;m trying to figure out if DuBois is merely buying the product or if he was part of the propaganda. I&#8217;m guessing the former.</p>
<p>After reading what he wrote about Booker T. Washington, DuBois comes across as a man very passionate about his beliefs&#8230; but maybe too passionate&#8230; too quick to cast off friends he knows are mostly with him ideologically for potential friends that he imagines are totally in agreement with his views. Washington wanted many of the same things that DuBois wanted, but he felt the path to get there was longer and in a different direction. DuBois found a man he did not really know (Stalin) more compelling than a man he did know (Washington) because one got results faster, perhaps?</p>
<p>Would that be an accurate observation of DuBois, Eddie? I&#8217;m no expert on the man, but the little I&#8217;ve read makes me think he was a man that expected racial, economic, and political equality NOW and not later. Too much of an idealist? Anything less was frustrating to him? He might assume the grass was greener in Stalin&#8217;s yard because of the difficulty in getting the U.S. yard up to his standards.</p>
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		<title>By: fairlane</title>
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		<dc:creator>fairlane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dubois pigeonholed himself toward the end. 

This display is quite a contrast to his eulogy for Booker T. Washington in which he said, “In stern justice, we must lay on the soul of this man a heavy responsibility for the 
consummation of Negro disfranchisement, the decline of the Negro college and
 public school, and the firmer establishment of colour caste in this land.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dubois pigeonholed himself toward the end. </p>
<p>This display is quite a contrast to his eulogy for Booker T. Washington in which he said, “In stern justice, we must lay on the soul of this man a heavy responsibility for the<br />
consummation of Negro disfranchisement, the decline of the Negro college and<br />
 public school, and the firmer establishment of colour caste in this land.”</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt S,

I am dying to know what you think of this piece by DuBois? Keep in mind my above commment on the period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt S,</p>
<p>I am dying to know what you think of this piece by DuBois? Keep in mind my above commment on the period.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you say that blacks early on lacked the resoueces and outlets to discover the reality of Stalin and the USSR? Or was this an oppertunity for a few black elites to further themselves from the southern poor black masses who were probably not reading much of his complex writings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you say that blacks early on lacked the resoueces and outlets to discover the reality of Stalin and the USSR? Or was this an oppertunity for a few black elites to further themselves from the southern poor black masses who were probably not reading much of his complex writings?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DuBois lost some of his influance by the time of his death. Remember, there was a large black intellectual following of communism by 1950; it is true that a number left the Communist Party after 1939 when Satlin signed the non-aggression pact with Hitler in 1939. Still, many continued to follow the party but took the path of Trotsky. Blacks like the idealism of USSR&#039;s communism (no racism, sexism, classism -- we would later discover that was a lot of propaganda). Dubois was held as a hero in Russia, as were other black intellectuals. His wife was a hero in communist China. White Americans who were not a part of the intelligentsia could not comprehend the complexity of modern racism and ideology. In David Lewis biography of DuBois, he pretty much stated that he lived 30 years too long. His voice had subsided amongst the Civil Rights push. When he left the US, that was a sign that he did not have any faith in democracy
He is stilll my hero. You must read Blum&#039;s book. It is that good. I will bring it to you at the draft in August.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DuBois lost some of his influance by the time of his death. Remember, there was a large black intellectual following of communism by 1950; it is true that a number left the Communist Party after 1939 when Satlin signed the non-aggression pact with Hitler in 1939. Still, many continued to follow the party but took the path of Trotsky. Blacks like the idealism of USSR&#8217;s communism (no racism, sexism, classism &#8212; we would later discover that was a lot of propaganda). Dubois was held as a hero in Russia, as were other black intellectuals. His wife was a hero in communist China. White Americans who were not a part of the intelligentsia could not comprehend the complexity of modern racism and ideology. In David Lewis biography of DuBois, he pretty much stated that he lived 30 years too long. His voice had subsided amongst the Civil Rights push. When he left the US, that was a sign that he did not have any faith in democracy<br />
He is stilll my hero. You must read Blum&#8217;s book. It is that good. I will bring it to you at the draft in August.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s some strong kitty litter DuBois was spreading over Stalin&#039;s biography.

Eddie, do you think a biased eulogy like this affects the credibility of DuBois&#039; other writings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s some strong kitty litter DuBois was spreading over Stalin&#8217;s biography.</p>
<p>Eddie, do you think a biased eulogy like this affects the credibility of DuBois&#8217; other writings?</p>
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