A Bad Example of Historical Thinking

I am sure some of you have seen this. I posted the answers on the first comment. Take a look and see how you did. I think Newt Gingrich wrote these questions. H/T: Walker Parkhill

A little history lesson: If you don’t know the answer make your best guess. Answer all the questions before looking at the answers. Who said it?

1) “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few…and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity.”
A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) “(We)…can’t just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people.”
A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Josef Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) “We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own…in order to create this common ground.”
A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) “I certainly think the free-market has failed.”
A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) “I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched.”
A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above


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20 thoughts on “A Bad Example of Historical Thinking

  1. Answers:

    (1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
    (2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
    (3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
    (4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
    (5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
    (6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005

  2. Actually she did say those things, however they are largely taken out of context to be misleading. For example when Senator Clinton said that “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good”, she was not referring to the general public, but rather a group of wealthy democrats at a fund raiser for Senator Barbara Boxer.
    I agree. Idiot right wingers.

  3. This looks like something John Edwards wrote or a right winger — I get them confused at times. Of course this is out of context. I wonder if Dick is behind this?

    Matt S. — Ouch

    Walker – I think I gave you credit.

  4. Ok

    First of all, I got them as I recogonized the last two quotes and imediately realized the intention of the quiz.

    I just saw this and read the snopes artical and had to do a commentary on it. It is by far the worst snopes article I have ever read. (also the only bad one) The author obviously has an opinion. The way they claim the quotes were taken out of context makes no sense. They weren’t taken out of context. In fact the “context” serves to prove the author’s point.

    My comments are inserted into the article in the following format

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    My comments here

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    They should be pretty easy to recogonize by the conservative content.

    Sorry for the long post. I am not sure if there is a word limit on comments so this might take several posts

  5. • “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”
    This is an accurate quote, but also a misleading one in that it completely omits the context. Senator Clinton was not addressing the general public, but rather a group of relatively well-to-do Democrats attending a June 2004 fundraiser for California senator Barbara Boxer. And her statement specifically referred to a desire to repeal tax cuts
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    Who cares if she was speeking to a group of wealthy democrates. It applies to the general public as a whole (well technicaly not the poor). She still suggest taking money away from a few to give to some other few.

    Sounds pretty in context to me.

    Also, repealing tax cuts is just a veiled way of saying raise taxes.
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    that had recently been enacted by the Bush administration, cuts which Democrats had criticized as favoring the wealthy:
    Headlining an appearance with other Democratic women senators on behalf of Sen. Barbara Boxer, who is up for re-election this year, Hillary Clinton told several hundred supporters — some of whom had ponied up as much as $10,000 to attend — to expect to lose some of the tax cuts passed by President Bush if Democrats win the White House and control of Congress.

    “Many of you are well enough off that … the tax cuts may have helped you,” Sen. Clinton said. “We’re saying that for America to get back on track, we’re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”
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    Not give it to you? Tax cuts dont give you anything except reduce the amount the government steals from one’s paycheck.

    Sort of like a robber saying
    I feel nice today. I am only going to steal $19.99 instead of the full $20.
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    • “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few … And to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity.”

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    Sounds a lot like an attack on the Bush administration and Republicans.

    … and replace it with another government by the few ie. (By Hillary and other top Democrats)

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    This is a pieced-together passage from a 29 May 2007 economic policy speech given by Senator Clinton on the subject of “Modern Progressive Vision: Shared Prosperity.” The supposedly “socialist” nature of this statement is somewhat undercut when the sentences that immediately followed it are included for context:
    It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few and for the few, time to reject the idea of an “on your own” society and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity. I prefer a “we’re all in it together” society.

    Now, there is no greater force for economic growth than free markets, but markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed.
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    Free Market and Government Regulation. How does that work????? I thought a key part of a free market economy was an absence of government intervention.

    Definately contains large traces of socialism to me

    Sounds pretty in context to me.

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    When we get our priorities in order and make the smart investments we need, the markets work well.
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    • “(We) … can’t just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people.”

    “We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common ground.”

    “I certainly think the free-market has failed.”

    The above three statements are all out-of-context passages taken from a 4 June 2007 CNN “Presidential Forum” conducted with three Democratic presidential hopefuls, senators John Edwards, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton. The second statement was part of a straightforward expression of the need to reach a political consensus on how to proceed in order to tackle an issue such as universal health insurance.

    The first statement is another pieced-together quote that omits the contextual references to health care, dependence on foreign oil, and global warming:
    We can set the vision. We can even work to articulate the goal. But the pathway is extraordinarily complicated because of how we live today and

    how we think of ourselves in relation to our fellow citizens.

    Take health care. I think we could get almost unanimous agreement that having more than 45 million uninsured people, nine million of whom are children, is a moral wrong in America. And I think we could reach that agreement, and then we would have to start doing the hard work of deciding what we were going to do to make sure that they were not uninsured, because an uninsured person who goes to the hospital is more likely to die than an insured person. I mean, that is a fact.

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    Seems to me the free market economy worked real well in the health sector until the goverment had to stick its nose in everything.

    Some how people used to get treated without medicare and medicaid even if it ment the doctor didn’t get paid or charged less.

    Now under medicaid the doctors don’t get paid any where near what they need in order to make money. When the government decides how much a procedure should cost they often don’t have a clue and often give lower prices so they don’t have to pay as much. This causes medical bills for everyone else to skyrocket and makes for distorted market prices.

    What we have now is definately not a free market health care system.

    Sounds pretty in context to me.
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    So, what do we do? We have to build a political consensus. And that requires people giving up a little bit of their own turf, in order to create this common ground.

    The same with energy — you know, we can’t keep talking about our dependence on foreign oil, and the need to deal with global warming, and the challenge that it poses to our climate and to God’s creation, and just let business as usual go on.

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    The people who want business to go on as usual arn’t the ones whining and complaining
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    And that means something has to be taken away from some people.
    The third statement was part of a passage in which Senator Clinton listed a number of societal aspects (including the free market) which she felt had failed in helping young people to make responsible decisions (particularly in reference to abortion):
    Q: Could you see yourself, with millions of voters in a pro-life camp, creating a common ground, with the goal ultimately in mind of reducing the decisions for abortion to zero?

    A: Yes. Yes.

    And that is what I have tried to both talk about and reach out about over the last many years, going back, really, at least 15 years, in talking about abortion being safe, legal, and rare. And, by rare, I mean rare.

    And it’s been a challenge, because the pro-life and the pro-choice communities have not really been willing to find much common ground. And I think that is a great failing on all of our parts, because, for me there are many opportunities to assist young people to make responsible decisions.

    There is a tremendous educational and public outreach that could be done through churches, through schools, through so much else. But I think it has to be done with an understanding of reaching people where they are today.

    We have so many young people who are tremendously influenced by the media culture and by the celebrity culture, and who have a very difficult time trying to sort out the right decisions to make.

    And I personally believe that the adult society has failed those people. I mean, I think that we have failed them in our churches, our schools, our government. And I certainly think the, you know, free market has failed. We have all failed.

    We have left too many children to sort of fend for themselves morally.

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    First of all, I do not get what the heck the woman is trying to say. It is like she is trying to appease both sides (Social conservatives) and not alienate any voters.

    By the way Carson, you would actuallly be suprised with my views on abortion.

    Uh, the free market didn’t fail, it worked perfectly. The media gives us what the majority of society wants.

    Here is the COMMUNISTIC quote that upsets me:

    “We have left too many children to sort of fend for themselves morally. ”

    At least she is honest. Hillary has not been able to indoctrinate children with here opinions like she would probably like. Reminds me a lot of the Soviet Union’s forced indoctrination of youth.

    Everything still seams to be in context to me.
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    • “I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched.”
    This passage was taken from a 2 September 2005 appearance by Senator Clinton in front of constituents in Elmira Heights, New York, where (in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina) she expressed her opinion about the need for federal regulatory oversight of the oil industry in order to curb high gasoline prices and U.S. dependence on foreign oil:

    The anxiety and anger felt by motorists was evident at nearly every turn in her travels throughout the Finger Lakes region of Upstate New York. She made clear she shared the concern.

    “I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in our entire economy that they’re being watched,” she said in explaining her call for an inquiry by the Federal Trade Commission. “I think human nature left to itself is going to push the limit as far as possible, and that’s what you need a government regulatory system for: to keep an eye on people to make the rules of the game fair, to make a level playing field and not give anybody some kind of undue advantage.”

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    I Think oil companies understand very well that they are being watched. They realize that they must price their products at market value. It is not the the oil companies fault that oil is somewhere around $90 a barrel. It is the consumer’s fault for establishing such a high demand that prices continue to skyrocket. In the past decade alone oil prices have gone from $11/$25 a barrel in the 90’s to just under a hundred today.
    It would also be interesting to look at the profits oil companies are making and comparing them to what they have invested. I think you would probably be surprised at the rate of return on their investiments. In 2006 ExxonMobile had a profit margin of 10.5 % which is not neccessarily all that great for a publicly traded company.
    The recent increase in oil company profits is likely due to the fact that as global oil prices rise they are able to sell their oil at higher prices and make higher profits. It is basic knowledge that when demand increases, prices increases and the profit made by a producer of said product increases as well.

    I do not see any unexpected windfall profits here.

    Hey, isn’t Hillary supposed to be the smartest woman in the world or something. She should know this stuff.

    Also, why does she have to talk to people in New York (one of the more liberal states)of all places to decide that everybody is fed up with oil companies.
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    Clinton criticized the new energy bill, which she opposed, as inadequate to solve the country’s long-term energy problem. She said the United States has regressed over the past three decades, since the first oil shocks of the early 1970s. “We’ve had 30 years to do some things we haven’t done,” she said. “In fact we’ve gotten, we’ve gone backwards in many respects.

    “I am tired of being at the mercy of people in the Middle East and elsewhere, and I’m tired frankly of being at the mercy of these large oil companies,” Clinton said.

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    And finally,

    Why does Hillary say in all here comments that the government must TAKE things away from certain people? That is what makes Hillary a Marxist in my book.
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  6. That has definately got to be the longest comment ever posted on your blog at a massive 2,100 words.

    Now would the “Idiot left winger” who can’t think for themselves and instead has to reword the first paragraph of the Snopes article while posted Anonymous please identify themself. I am wondering if you even read the whole Snopes article as you probably gave the worst possible example.

    Now for that physics homework I was trying to put off by writing this thing.

  7. Yes, I agree “Stealing” might be an exaggeration

    Bacisally what I was saying was that she is trying to make it sound like the wealthy got a reduction in taxes as a favor. Why doesn’t she just come out and say we are going to raise your taxes. Guess she does not want her comments to have a negative connotation.
    The only reason she probably wants to tax the wealthy to support here programs is because there are not enough of them to influence the vote like there are with the middle and lower class.

  8. ok if Hillary Clinton can not control or at least know what her own Husband is doing how does she think she can control a country.

  9. Very interesting Carson. I can see I”m going to have to come back here on a regular basis.
    As I was telling a Democrat associate the other day, “the more Hilary Clinton speaks, the less people like her.”
    Just look at the polls.

    Great website. Happy to be a part of it.

  10. i can definitely see hillary saying those things; it is not fair to take from some to make it equal for all… a world without capitolism breads mediocracy and america was not founded or meant for everyone to be equal (a la russian soviet union)

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