Jason Collins — “Im Out”

I am not surprised to hear this; I do believe that it is time for all of us in public society to have this conversation. Regardless if you support gays and lesbians or not, it is a conversation that should be taking place in our homes, on our campuses, and in our churches.

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10 thoughts on “Jason Collins — “Im Out”

  1. The NBA is a workplace. In any other workplace a discussion of any sexual preference would be immaterial – or if it was overly graphic followed by a trip to HR. Loudly declaring “I like hot women” would get a written reprimand in every corporate environment of which I’m aware.

    • Excellent point Bryan; however, because of the nature of discrimination and the hostile actions towards gays, businesses and the NBA are operating in a manner deemed appropriate.

  2. Here is a point I have noted before:
    Because I am a Christian, a liberal, an intellectual, and a member of a racial minority group that faces constant societal prejudices, it is not possible for me to hate or discriminate against a gay person. As a society governed by liberalism and constitutionalism, I continue to find myself confused by the many contradictions inculcated into the fabric of our polity. For example, how can we as a country via government say it is okay to be gay and to have a gay partner, but create laws banning gays from getting married? The apparent contradiction does not seem to be very clear to many. If a country is going to permit by law homosexual lifestyles, how can society ridicule gay people for not being in monogamous relationships? Remember, people recently voted via the referendum not to permit gay monogamy (marriage)?

    • This may be too much of a rabbit trail. If so please delete it. I’m not aware of all the legal ins and outs of how completely marriage changes one’s legal status, but it seems all unmarried people get the proverbial short end of the stick in a number of areas.

      Why don’t laws state you can pass on “x” amount of your estate to “y” number of people (regardless of relationship) without being taxed? Why can you only put a partner or certain family member on your insurance? Why can’t I put a neighbor on it if I want to? Why do tax rates favor the married?

      That’s where I think things are unfair for a massive number of Americans. Beyond financial issues (and that’s a lot) I don’t know specifically which laws discriminate based on orientation.

  3. Government can say it is OK to be gay and have a gay partner, but not be willing to redefine marriage because there is no vested interest in the part of government to privilege and regulate those relationships. Heterosexual relationships on the other hand, as a rule, as a group and by nature, produce the next generation, which is why government takes an interest.

    • Brandon, I have heard the pro-creation argument. And it is a valid point. But I am sure you can tell that governments have or are shifting from this argument. Even two Latin American nations allow for gay marriage. The percentage is not that great. This is more of a societal view that is in the mist of shifting.

  4. Ed…you referenced a “conversation” in your intial post, but the reference was extremely vague. What conversation specifically are you talking about and how do you define “supporting” gays and lesbians? Those are questions that have to be answered in order for me to dive into any discussion on this topic.

  5. Kirk H:

    Regardless of how we feel about the matter — we as members of a civil society can not discriminate. I really do not think that is what people are looking to do. But, in terms of the conversation I referenced, we are expected to embrace and love all kinds of people — regardless of race and sexual orientation. The conversation should address the fact that we must treat all peoples with honor and respect. Even those who do harm to us. I will admit the latter is very difficult for us.

  6. Hopefully, that is a conversation that is taking place and has been taking place for some time. The Bible is clear about love being above all other things. It says that if we do not have love for others in our hearts, all of our other actions with respect to God are null and void. So, that is definitely an important conversation.

    As far as Jason Collins is concerned, I don’t have much to say. What he does sexually has no impact on his ability to play basketball or not, so I would hope that he does not encounter discrimination as a result of this or anything else. My understanding is that Collins has averaged less than 2 points a game for the past three seasons, though, so his career is winding down regardless.

    What I meant when I said what is your definition of “support” is that I do not believe that “support” for those within the LGBT community means agreeing with every position they take or cause they put forth. I am not in favor of gay marriage, but am very open to a conversation that allows for all the government/legal benefits of marriage to be shared somehow between other types of unions. I am also of the belief that homosexual behavior is clearly sin and as such, I am not going to celebrate the lifestyle and applaud it as acceptable behavior within the context of Christian conduct. Does that mean I cannot love or treat a gay person with honor and respect? I don’t think so, but it depends on your definition of support, I suppose. This will always be a difficult issue for Bible-based Christians to tackle, but I believe there is plenty of room for love and respect in the midst of the discussion. As you said, this has been a group of people discriminated against for a very long period of time…but I would say that they are being discriminated against (unjustly) because of their behavior, not because they classify as a race of people.

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